This place was one of strange wonders, but alas it was not what they spoke of, this being that same question of what the Domothungac planned and what they could do to stop it, but they wondered still if the Memopulate, the existence of memory and population issues in the future was this entities end or if it was just the beginning.
Mazer said:
"I feel like the Memopulate is but a portion of this trouble, because it manifests only by population and information and is closer in time, too close to be this entities end. I wonder if perhaps the future when we aren't on earth anymore, may harbour something worse even then the balabia."
The Balabia was the origin of the subeasts, born from human misconduct which was the original story of these characters, it is finished with the subeasts being saved by death and ressurection as memetic beings in the past.
Anasky says:
"Perhaps, but I fear it may go all the way to Birth."
Logan said:
"Damnit I was trying to avoid that one."
Mazer laughed and said:
" Awe, Logan doesn't want to be born on a cosmic level."
Logan sighed and said:
"It's just too sexual and weird for most I find."
Mazer says:
" I mean, I already brought up dildos on this blog so I guess were in that zone now anyways."
Glitch said:
"We can't know Birth unless we find another method to reach it without Balabia."
So they thought about this and then did a similar thing to before, where each shared their ideas:
- Tristal thought that the future in sky was bound to fail everytime by human nature.
- Mazer thought that our isolation would lead to a total change of self.
- Logan thought that our writings even then would be lost between.
- Boan thought that even in space their would be an issue of equality.
- Anasky thought that while a journey of truth is good, it may not be in the end.
- Glitch thought that while the technology would be advanced, failures are bound.
They then found that perfect line between their imagined future after the Memopulate:
- Failure in man bound, isolated into change, works lost between and without equal, the journey to truth may not be good in the end and technology on its way is bound to failure.
They thought about what exactly was going to occure as a change between our failures and our knowledge changing while in space and what with technologies failure and uncertainty would likely be its fate.
They realized swiftly that the change would likely be deterioration of morals, behaviors and eventually limitation of ability within an isolated environment, which within context while populous would always end up being one where people no longer remembered where or why they left and lost touch with the history that started the whole thing. This would lead to either complete destruction or some kind of apocalypse of regression where people end up thinking they evolved on a ship instead of a planet.
In fact I add that my first imagining of this problem, is still naive and that time changes so many things that even their blissful innocence on Lemuria may not be what ends up being the reality of extended isolation on a spaceship in space. Especially when immortality and information is extensive and even without this, what would result is still a loss of touch with the past.
I then said:
" Maybe we should wait for the natural Balabia on earth afterall."
Still Mazer thought this naive as their was no proof it could definitely occure as such even when the Balabia is conceivable. Still Mazer didn't know what else to say, it seemed that extended times of life lead inevitably to forgotten origin and a detachment from the old ways, but also acclimation to the new which changed a person or group greatly. Mazer knew this cause he's done it in smaller doses with himself already. He was not that 13 year old or that 17 year old anymore, he was a lot worse and better then that innocent and ignorant boy.
Anasky said:
"Would it necessarily devolve though, would they be able to retain the reality that they are on a ship and not a natural or divinely created world?"
Glitch said:
"Both Probabilities exist, the likelihood may very by occasion and length."
Tristal said:
"Perhaps it is dangerous then to have so much going on, but it's also dangerous to have too little."
Boan said:
"That's exactly like the last one, too much or too little food leads to death, like too much or tool little events leads to similar issues."
Tristal nodded, Mazer laughed and said:
"This reminds me of an old video about why their aren't any aliens in space that we see, arguing that each progressive leap of progress is farther and thus harder then the last. As such few manage to go very far at all."
Is this what the Domothungac wanted, was it to challenge people with continuously harder issues, or was it more adequately just the challenge that would eventually lead to extinction that was the purpose? Thought Mazer.
Mazer then said:
" I feel like this fight for survival only grows harder the better you are at it. We used to live simply by feeding and reproducing, but when we got smart enough to kick ass at everything it just became harder in new ways we'd never thought of."
Boan said:
"We could just stay here, on the planet as it is, some people have been trying to say that for years."
Mazer said:
"I'd rather try and fail, then wait and fail. Because one might lead to some better things, like better violence emulation. Heh."
Boan said:
"Maybe each of these challenges are based of excess or limitation and it means we just have to be balanced at all times."
Anasky said:
"We are relatively balanced by situation anyways, we aren't all serial killers and we aren't all dull either, so I imagine it could level out naturally and the absence of aliens just means were late. Plus it's not like Mazer, Boan and Logan aren't earliens who happen to not be human."
Glitch said:
"While it is true that our world seems to be naturally the entirety wrapped into one, I feel this means balance but I cannot know for certain as that could change if unprecedented."
Anasky said:
"We tried the precedents before but its too diverse to predict or prevent completely, it seems we need to know and then brace for things without being certain if we helped ourselves. As a group, as while not all will ever be that prepared for dangers that might never happen, if they happen then one is more prepared then those who aren't."
Mazer said:
" I don't mind the unexpected, but it's fun to think of them all and experience them early."
Mazer continued:
" I don't know if theirs a real problem out there, we seem to adapt very easily to new conditions and we don't ever vacate completely anymore because we're too many for that."
Tristal said:
"Maybe humans have an emotional attachment to issues, where they think they exist and do unfalsifiably such that they can be fixed, but reality doesn't actually have a real conflict behind it."
Mazer smiled, he was liking this conversation because it was about problems and he didn't mind them, unless it meant making him someone else's definition of good, which he would automatically fail to do. Even then though, he's just shoot himself to get out of it if their was no other option. I just like being a little fucked up okay, its not your problem unless I make it your problem and I'd rather not do that cause then it's my problem too.
However, saying theirs not such thing as a Problem, is going to immediately cause a person to send me pictures of murder, war and starvation as this has already occurred. The thing is that it firstly wasn't a real problem to myself or the other person but should still be helped, I'd love to help but I can't beyond my writing.
I have offered my solutions to starvation before in that one can build machines to grow food for us and give it to the hungry. I also practice alternatives to murder myself so its obvious that I did the best I could, but I doubt war will stop until something better is done about resource necessity over luxury. As wars are often started by desires for comfort when one is lacking, usually this is a resource based conflict relating solely to luxuries that aren't actually needed on the side that is unjust in war.
As all invasions are actions of acquisition of resource, all attacks are fear tactics to change a persons mind and all revolutions are attempts to alter the order of things in good or bad intent. In the good cases rarely is it done to an excess beyond stopping the one who started it, but in cases where an invasion begins by intent solely for more territory or sign of superiority, then it is always going to have a backlash. As these are always selfish acts directed at luxury, which is shown immediately by the way the attacking leaders become enamored with luxury from their spoils after its first success.
So, while I would argue no real problem exists when one is not being greedy, the reality is that greed creates most problems and is not one where a person is wealthy but rather one where even when wealthy they steal more wealth rather then gain it fairly.
In consumer societies, often are business rulers blamed for greed because they are wealthy and forbid by monopoly others from gaining the same wealth. This however is not as accurate as it seems because it isn't they who stole your money, it is you who gave them the money.
Further, most companies have at least one or two methods by which they help the world with that wealth. Fast food restaurants offer some of their wealth at times to the needy and plenty of people try to help out the poor and ill in other ways, so it is likely that its an issue of more complexity then only help and more likely one of inaccessibility and not enough help available.
So when I argue that their is no problem, it mostly means their is no problem for at least one kind of person per group of individuals in a given situation. As a result, some people are happy living in a box like me, typing at a computer all day, others would call this hell. This also why I have a hard time feeling for others when they complain about problems which I take as pleasures or which my dick immediately gets excited over. I have to say that because its true.
So while I like the idea of loosing ones way on a spaceship while traveling, I can't yet find a solution to it that doesn't require some kind of limit to how much stuff goes on while in space, which can't be easily measured because no one has been in space that long yet.
It may also not be a real problem as that is also a thing that exists.
I have switched to my own narration because its faster and I just said their were no problems, when their is often both those kinds of things, problems and fake problems which are both fun to deal with and both should be dealt with the same way.
That method is not forcing the poor to be wealthier, nor invading and changing a place's laws to provide a better life, rather it is in statement and optional aid that we find this conflict better helped, because you can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Often this means, that the only person who suffers when their is overconsumption is the one overconsuming, because when the food runs out they suffer while everyone who didn't is used to it by now. Similarly one does not need to eat food everyday, but food does need to be eaten every three weeks or you die. Not a crumb but a sufficient amount that wouldn't cause you to shit out part of your body that without replacement will kill you as that is literally how you die of starvation.
Saying that, a person can survive on limited diet so long as they keep it up and don't become obsessed with loosing weight. Theirs a difference between not eating and not eating for the wrong reasons which are brought on by mental illness. Still, it is wiser for humans to just eat plants that are easily grown and nutritional enough to satisfy the body.
We don't need to eat cake.
In similar respect we actually do not need all the information we've ever gathered on a spaceship crossing the cosmic void. In fact that's likely going to cause a problem because it will be distracting and encourage a loss of memory over such long distances. It's the natural data limit of reality which exists even today but less obvious.
We also cannot open a portal like in movies, for the same reason, because it would overfill the data and the one example of it actually working ( black holes ) deletes data instead. This is a phenomenon which I have trouble describing but discovered far earlier in my travels through the basics, it is discussed some in the yonder text, but it is the idea that reality while potentially infinite in scale is limited by its scale internal and this means you can only fit a box where it will fit and thus you can't overfill the maximums of occupied space time that is allowed.
This means I can't find a way to curve space so that it loops around the cosmic void, since this would by definition fill space already filled by itself and I have never observed a distance being made shorter except where it is shorter to travel by. It means at a minimum that their is a minimum scale solid state of reality which only increases exponentially upwards. A point 0 which cannot be overcome as the ground of the entire reality.
That ground has to forbid something and that is magical space warps, which are if possible in absolute form, going to cause instability rather then stable reality. As that means I can pop over to china and murder someone then come back here and get away with it.
It is possible to do this, but someone has to be present on both ends of the telephone. In fact the telephone also only goes so far and this is also a good thing, but only when we start talking about spoil.
What we can do then is limit the data that is accessible on a space ship, such that it contains then necessary information rather then all information. This would mean rather then having all magical spells in existence on the spaceship, it would just explain how magic works and let a person experiment personally with it and may have a limit of what can be stored at any time on the internet. At least on a spaceship.
This would prevent people accidentally developing beliefs in memory loss that are inaccurate to actual reality of being on a spaceship. Such as thinking its all their is or that their supposed to stay on it and not go to the strange blue marble they reached billions of years later.
In fact every problem in existence is directly based off that limit of data, which can only be helped by space travel after a period of solar system mining. This means that we have to go to space or we will run out of rocks anyways.
This same spacial issue results in every single problem that exists today, which is slowly redeemable by increase in our own scale of effect, meaning among the reasons I can't say:
- Legalize murder for those who want to be killed.
Is because theirs a space time point in current existence which may cause a person to change their mind midway through being killed and then its too late for them to say Banana and leave.
Only a method that surpasses that issue can ever provide such a feat, only where the person is able to leave at any time during the experience. It's closest modern alternative is virtual reality, but some may argue its still not yet realistic enough. I'd agree and say that for the more realistic, their is a required entire new field of science that needs to be developed based around imitating perception.
All problems are directly related to spatial conflicts, which cannot be solves by changing space, only what is above it as what is in the container.
So I end this part here, as I am no longer certain where to take this discussion, beyond that data limit.
This is why you don't want that Data limit broken.
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